the taliban controlling some areas of the country. what is civil society and feminist society look like under those conditions? >> well, things have changed from 2001, when america and international allies first went to afghanistan. in the past 12 years, a lot has changed in terms of women being a lot more educated and exposed to what is actually happening to the women's movement outside of afghanistan. but more specifically, if you pay attention to the regional aspect of it. women have looked up -- afghan women have looked up to women in india and pakistan, closer to the region not reaching out so far to america or europe. and they're seeing that women have been active in changing their society. so afghan women have learned. and even though this whole notion of talks with the taliban or this peace process that we honestly, as women, we honestly don't know what the peace talks mean or about or what they will bring because we're not part of the process. and this has been our fight right now to include our voice and our autonomy in thes